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"Sell off us treasury bonds held by China, do an export ban on key rare earth materials to the usa, ban imports of US agricultural porducts(mainly soybeans, corn, pork).

Watch the utter chaos that will happen in the usa.

They probably don't even need to even actually sell their bonds, just start saying they will be selling them all in the coming weeks and months, then sit back and watch the market panic. Then as the market starts to change, the fed would have to do some QE which would cause other problems. Meanwhile China still keeps all their bonds which protects them from the main problem of them trying to sell them off and tanking their value as they try to sell them all."
Make no mistake about it Trump will use this ordeal with China (which he intentionally started) as an excuse to strengthen trade and support with Russa.
You’re making the case that Americans should be taking advantage of slave labor wages in other countries? Sounds pretty horrible to me
"Yeah that's the thing, but what happens to us along the way. Markets can't continue trading the way they are. Something is going to lock up. Someone is going to blow up. 

I was doing the math on this and to have that outsized negative effect on China it's almost like a nuclear war where no one wins. We could cause China a lot of pain but our markets and our employment rate and our people are going to suffer dearly. It's absolutely idiotic because realistic trade agreements could easily be made but that could have happened from the beginning. They could have singled out country by country by country and just went down the line making agreements. Destabilizing the global economy served absolutely no purpose and if anything it hurt The credibility of the United States"
"Maybe genociding part of their population? Or is that OK even though it has cost more lives? The US has done some bad shit and they’re not the good guy, but China is not better, they’re just acting like an adult while the US acts like a preschooler."
Which is strange because they already where that in his first turn. They are just much more illegal about it this time.
Doesn’t work that way. Bond ETFs may behave this way.
This statement can actually get you to qualify for medical insanity benefits
intelligence isn’t spelled leverage
Mariana Trench
That description is very fitting indeed.
"The people. General Strikes. Occupy protests at the WH, Mar a Lago and every republican’s local office.  Or you could just sit back and cry about your stocks."
True but a person wanting to rabble rouse and trigger civil unrest would
Lol
Their households either have money tied up in worthless real estate or have no money.
"China dumping treasuries spiking yields- I guess they just played the reverse Uno card... Well played China, Well played..."
"I remember back in 2010, my high school biology teacher talked about how us American students were so behind compared to international students. He would show us John Stossel dumb in America documentary like 20 times. Because us dumb high school students who slack off and skip class are competing with all other high school students in the world, notably Chinese students who are hyper competitive and vastly outnumber us. So I'm guessing this reality is coming into fruition, leaving Americans in the dust."
Abolishing the income tax for people who make less than $150k is quite the opposite of a tax cut for the rich. Ya silly
Oh fuck.  Is this it?  Is this the financial atomic bomb that blows everything up this time around?  I was wondering what 2025’s version of the synthetic CDO was going to be.  
They really do
Singapore is not just ‘basically a first world-country’ but in the top most tiers of developed countries.
There’s a term for it in English!
"Maybe I’m using the wrong words (short), but I assume it’s the market makers who buy when folks sell.  When they are over sold we see dead cat bounce as they close out positions. 

The rate of the current sell off has to be putting pressure on capacity."
Can someone explain whether I should buy treasuries now or keep money in money market?
Crash
What percentage of our debt do you think China holds?
"Oh, you're misunderstanding me, they wouldn't willingly tank the market. 
And I agree with you.  What I'm saying is, currently, the minority party is not using the power it possesses to  properly react to what is happening.


When Republicans were the minority party they filibustered and halted every nomination Obama had. To the extent that many of them could not get through before the next president. Mitch McConnell pulled off some insane stuff.
Dems have the same tools in their tool belt they just aren't using them.


I think they've been especially bad lately with their messaging.  
Have you seen Kamala or Biden at any of the protests? Why did only one senator stand up when Trump was giving his State of the Union? 

Why is there not a bigger stink being made right now? Why are outsiders like Bernie, AOC, and Booker the only ones doing anything."
TSMC would not pay anything under any tariffs that the Cheeto man can impose.  Will someone please explain this to hm.
"No evidence of Chinese dumping right? Another article I read mentioned that it's various hedge funds, and unlikely to be the Chinese."
"I think the fundamental problem that mightve been missed is that countries with good relations with US actually have low to 0 tariffs on US, yet they got slapped with tariffs by trump for no reason. Trumps billboard was rather misleading in that the way the administration measured ""tariffs"" from other nations was fundamentally wrong - you cant take the trade deficit divided by the imports to get that number, that isn't tariffs at all. A good analogy I read is that its like trying to measure your body temperature based on your foreheads distance from the sun - totally unrelated and doesn't help you at all"
U are at least 2 decades away from retirement. Everything will be fine. Keep buying and HOLD!
"Get the certificate. For security reasons, semiconductor factories will be built in the US for sure."
Welcome to the left bruh
"Chinas is playing the long game, and taking revenge for the opium war and the century of humiliation."
"To be honest, as an outsider (UK) it's worse than that. The US has shown that they can't be trusted on the world stage. Depending on who is elected you'll pull out of treaties, agreements and alliances, sometimes that you yourselves negotiated, and half the population will cheer it on. I don't think there is any getting back to where you were on the world stage and I honestly think this is the beginning of the US's slow decline against the EU and BRIC countries. It won't be fast, but trump has destroyed the US's place as THE world's superpower"
"You really don’t get it. We as a nation cant make anything. The pandemic taught us that. Well guess what, you have Russia invading Europe and there or officially North Korean troops on the battle field. The Ukrainians have recently captured Chinese soldiers. So do you really think WW3 isnt already here? China is the US entire manufacturing base. They hack us, they exploit us, they will move on Taiwan soon. Then what?  We just gonna scream about Trump being a nazi? Ya’ll so angry you can’t even think straight."
"This is true, in 1940 the generation that would go on to defeat the Nazis and become the Greatest Generation only 8% wanted to intervene in Europe at the time."
I find it baffling that you somehow blame this on China.
"Why would you raise interest rates?


So I can lower it!"
Surely you can see that your ageing feet being uncomfortable isn't a good argument for all of Nike tanking.
"Part of the reason yields are raising, when during typical market turmoil, they would be falling, is that traders are no longer considering them risk free."
"LOL to the moon! But in all seriousness, they’re about to crater the global economy and our currency. You don’t want to be the last one holding the bags is all I’m saying."
probably doesn't really matter right now as credits aren't exactly the problem right now.
"They’ll be radical until they lose their jobs and prices rise. Of course some will be so tribal and lacking in critical thought that they’ll back him regardless. 

But in terms of people who vote - there will be a lot who realise the emperor has no clothes. And they will be worried. All they need to do is not vote for Trump vs actually vote for Dems. 

Despite what he thinks, Donald can’t tell the markets or the economy what to do. 

He has, to be fair, defied political gravity. But he can’t defy economic gravity, which is what he’s trying to do."
"Dems haven't done shit even when they had power. If they'd actually *done something* then they'd probably still be in power. 

The GOP can blow a multi-trillion dollar hold in the national debt with their 2017 tax bill, but Dems can't even get a $15 minimum wage passed because the parliamentarian said it wasn't revenue-neutral.

What about Medicare for all? ""Too expensive."" Actually, it's not, but even if it were, why is it that the right wing can spend all the money they want on stupid shit but we can't get basic necessities? 

What about statehood for PR and DC? That would have secured the Senate (probably the House too) for Dems right now. ""Oops forgot to get to that."" 

I'm not saying that anyone should have voted for Republicans. Ever. But I *am* saying that if the Dems did something real and tangible for people - not just abstract window dressing far removed from people's wages and bank balances - they would forever be in power."
Trump canceled tariffs in his first term and granted exemptions to companies. It will happen again.
He doesn't have a mind to lose.
Invasion of Taiwan has been scheduled for fall of 2027 or Spring of 2028 since Xi announced it to the world a couple years ago. No idea what you're talking about 20-30 years away.
I've visited Southern China multiple times in the last 15 years. It's moving so fast that every time I go it feels like a completely different country
"sorry!!!  I am a bit furious and ranting.  honestly feel so powerless to control our own country, lives, business, etc. don't know what to do but type!  lol

China has no labor laws.  they basically can hire indentured servants to do the work in often dangerous conditions for little pay.  shit people try to jump out windows to their die it it so bad.  we don't want that here but seems that is what trump wants to do to American

the more depressed people are financially they will work any job just to eat

not like a big reason to do this.  I could understand if we were doing poorly and being really cheated to the point of financial collapse but we are a top nation financially in the world.  we are envied for our arts and entertainment, technology, freedom.  why f that up"
"No it's not, you little Chinese spy"
">You can never have to many jobs. Labor shortages are a myth, you just drive wage growth and improved productivity

There can only ever be as many jobs as there are labor hours to work them.

> It'd still be nice if everything here wasn't entirely disrupted by an event out of our control half way around the world.

That's gonna happen regardless. Even if we went total autarky and traded with no one, eventually trouble would come knocking. When it does we'll be poorer and less prepared than we would have otherwise.

Chips from Tawain are one thing. Until about 2 months ago, our supply of aluminum from Canada would not actually have been in threat, even in case of like ww3.

> I'll take any tax that results in wage growth, which this will

Unless increased prices cause a drop in demand for goods and services, which translates into decreased demand for labor, which then results in pay freezes and layoffs. 

Especially when factoring in retaliatory tariffs from other countries.

>Think of it another way, it's trickle down economics again. Are you personally importing things from overseas? No a company is. Do they drop prices every time they move a job overseas? No, the companies keep the profits and your out of a job. Everyone is so worried about the tariffs trickling down, but the profit from overseas labor never have.

Imported goods lead directly to lower costs for consumers, otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation in the first place. If domestically produced t-shirts offered consumers the same value per dollar as imports, then a mild and generic ""buy American"" bias would lead to people consistently chosing American made t-shirts over imported t-shirts."
"Thats hilarious. I travel to China frequently. In the years after covid, i have never once had to use cash. Everything is ordered and delivered online. Even the beggers have wechat epayments to beg for money."
DOGE will fix everything so you don’t have to vote
"My opinion:
If you aren’t planning on pulling any investments out anytime soon, then take advantage of this declining market. Wait for 5-10 years and watch as your amount goes back to its typical upward trend ( S&P or blue chips, I use vanguard). I allow myself to invest so much each month with my paycheck, 20%. I split this between gold, and blue chips, and I t try to always have at least one rental, but when there are downward trends, the gut check reaction is to sale. Ignore that, instead buy more and wait it out. It will correct, it almost ALWAYS corrects. I would stay away from stocks for specific companies unless you feel very confident that they are going in a successful direction. 

Everybody is stressing, and for good reason, but if you have got time, don’t miss this opportunity to get some money at a discount."
"You underestimate my diamond hands.

One time I fapped for 24 hrs non stop."
Xi needs to talk to more people before announcing his retaliation than Trump needs to announce the first tarrif. At this point I wonder why don't Taiwan just unite with China? (A rhetoric question. I'm from Taiwan btw)
Made me laugh 😆.
The USA powers the global economy. You can’t hide from it
Some minds were blown back when folks were experimenting with Rednote during the January TikTok “ban”.
"Don't worry, he will make an executive order which tells China, that they cannot turn it off !"
What would cause it to move that much between now and then? (Noob question)
"What a complete lack of understanding of Chinese culture and politics. The CCPs control is of course largely absolute, but dissent tended to spring up around liberalized Nuevo riche benefiting from the prosperity of Chinas hybrid open market. What they've done is what they also just did in Canada - handed anyone opposing Trump and his agenda a blank check from the bank of public will.

This is foreign barbarians and colonialism all over again. This is everything they had a revolution over. The party had authority, now they'll have genuine patriotic fervor. Combine that with the Chinese concept of face which more or less makes it IMPOSSIBLE for the government to back down, and their willingness and ability to sacrifice human lives for the great patriotic struggle.

Worse still, China backed into a corner, may lash out at Taiwan and then you have a horrible catastrophe of human death. Taiwans defense plan - and America's plans revolving around China for that matter if armed conflict ever happened - are probably best described as warcrimes as the doctrine involves obliterating their infrastructure with long range missiles and destroying their dams. The civilian death toll would be catastrophic. There's a reason China hasn't invaded Taiwan yet, and it was always their inability to blitz them navally and America's backing. Now we can't be sure if Taiwan even had that backing, and China may act if it feels its ride or die."
Everything is computer!
This
"Unfortunately produce and meat will probably fall in price. Same with other in country made items. Unless farmers start defaulting on their loans.

Clothes, Electronics, other secondary consumer items are going to be so expensive they won't be affordable for most Americans."
Yellen created this fiasco by pushing over 30% of all US debt to the short end of the curve. This has nothing to do with China
"Once China cuts off access to various metals, rare earths etc… Trumps Republican allies will crumble. 

Congress & the Senate will pass laws cutting his power with two thirds majorities thereby negating his ability to veto them."
"And the rural poor of China are like REALLY poor, but they live in such a low cost of living area we can’t really make comparisons when it comes to money. And as there’s a billion people there, the rural poor are A LOT of people.

The numbers for everyone else look a lot better if you take them out."
"What’s hilarious is that for all their Project2025 shit, they’re going to end up ruling an ostracized, economic wasteland. Bravo!"
"Because while their are capitalist they also rely on ideology. Money matters, but ideology and perception matters more for them."
The markets and our position in the world both really need something to happen soon. Unfortunately I do not think congress will exercise its authority this week or even next week. Mike Johnson said today (now yesterday) that he is not willing to check Donald Trump on this.
I mean if companies are on 4% margins net and 25% tariffs come on their cost of production... how much do you think they can absorb and how much gets passed on to consumer? Inflation is almost certain to go up and rapidly so. There are very very few companies that can see cost of production go up 25/50% and not increase prices. He'll even msft which is majority services is at 30% margin. So if they absorb some of the cost of their physical goods made in China their overall margins will tank is they absorb or inflation rockets if they don't. There is not a single positive out of this. Lower sales due to higher prices or margin crush because prices stayed the same. Nobody in the news talking bout this.
Hope is all I have left. Don't take it away from me.
"I kinda like this thought… It’s not like we can impeach him and toss him out of office, we got two other idiots lined up right behind him!"
Let go of the soy milk for a while
How is Pfizer a dying company?
"From my understanding from America's media

""Trump bedding with the tech guys"" ""Tech guys getting too close to Trump""

""We hate Trump because he's with Elon, fuck those guys"" 

*Trumps turns his back to Elon* 

""Oh no, we need the tech guys wealth due to how much people have invested in them"""
Does this mean instead of shopping like a billionaire I can only shop like a millionaire!?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/ValueInvesting/comments/1izdwe4/comment/mf5wus1/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValueInvesting/comments/1izdwe4/comment/mf5wus1/)
Opposite Man is doing the opposite of Biden.
Recession time
[https://www.reddit.com/r/ValueInvesting/comments/1izdwe4/comment/mf5wus1/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValueInvesting/comments/1izdwe4/comment/mf5wus1/)
"It has been rational in my opinion - the underlying theme is that the economy is strong, but the Trump administration is considering policies that will break it. So any news that cast doubts on whether he’ll go along with the tariffs or any news for potential deals move the markets up, while any news that point towards the tariffs actually happening move the market down. It will swing up and down until we know for sure if this is happening (and if it does it will be a bloodbath)."
Breathe. Republicans are not going to go to bat for Trump much longer. Guarantee they reverse course once media starts ripping them to shreds.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/ValueInvesting/comments/1izdwe4/comment/mf5wus1/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ValueInvesting/comments/1izdwe4/comment/mf5wus1/)
"I mean, you only need to go visit China and go to a third tier city residential estate to see how they live. It's a lot of soulless high rise apartments. But they're high tech high rises with truly modern conveniences. The Chinese peasants might be living better than American ones."
Why are they so stupid and selfish... Why is America so fucked up.
'cause he's a dumb clown following dumb orders from his financiers and arse-lickers.
The whole world is pissed. Probably everybody should dump it
"well i think ur right on point pretty much -  incl buying the dips ! 
  
 i Hope trump isnt trying to blow up capitalism.  i hope he is rly trying to make things better .   time will tell."
"Yeah. Amazon is notoriously harsh as far as working conditions. No dignity for employees. They use wrist bands that track how long employees spend in the bathroom, now. 

I have friends with back injuries from working for Amazon and as you might imagine they do not send get well cards or remember her on her birthday.  

It’s like no one here ever read The Jungle."
Most of them probably couldn't locate China on a map.
"That would be true if they weren’t actively kicking the stilts out from underneath of us. It’s not a matter of if you’ll sell, it’s a matter of when."
So much winning though!!!
"A democratic government is only as good as it's citizen's. Everything he has done so far was predictable. It's the platform he and his ilk ran on. Much of Trump's base still believe things are sailing along smoothly. The government isn't the flaw, the citizens are."
The price of all those maga hats and American flags are going to double. And you magats thought he cared about you
"Because they got a handout that was bigger than they would have made selling that soy. 

And they are against socialism !"
It’s not like we can impeach him and get rid of him… We’ve got two other idiots lined up behind him!
"Trump seems to want to devalue the dollar, nations don't want to buy currency that its nation is planning to devalue"
"Yen/euro/USD. Let the market do its thing, buy back in"
Because he’s trying to destroy everything.
Most Americans in general and maga in particular still think of china as some back water place where they still wipe their ass with leaves anyone whose been to china or countries around it where the Chinese have a strong influence how much advanced they are. They’ve been investing heavily not just in industries but their infrastructure as well. Whereas 90% of us can’t even afford decent healthcare or college education we might prevail in this tariff war of attrition but it will cause chaos never seen before unless that’s what the orange man wants
"i too am having the same kind of panic attack rn, but it just can’t be that bad,, right? like should i be buying canned food and necessities?"
I mean you guys fking voted for him. I am more disappointed with the american people than trump because this is exactly what i expected from him. I did not expect americas to elect him again
"Hypothetically, if China forced the closure of Apple manufacturing in China, then Apple's business would clearly be seriously compromised.  It would take time to relocate manufacturing back to the US, or more likely moved to existing plants in India and Vietnam etc.  

China would have to deal with the social implications of so many people laid off, but being a one-party dictatorship that is good at internal repression, that should not be too problematic. 

But, there would be a plus. Many people, who don't buy Apple precisely because they are made in China, may be persuaded to buy Apple in the future if they pulled out, or were forced out of China."
Can't spell DELUSIONAL without US.
Their economy is set to overtake the US in GDP within the next 5 - 10 years…
"New to this but the pattern seems to be wild swings, for now. Tanks at morning, recovers by afternoon or vice versa. Boned myself for not buying calls expecting it at the last ""bottom."" Tomorrow the play is sell puts at the bottom. Pocket a third for savings, use a third for calls, keep a third for dry powder."
"After Tariff causing all those inflation while he promised price would come down if he were elected, yes, people will be remembered constantly at the grocery just like people remembered Biden's."
Not just this but liberals were angry market was rallying earlier in the morning on Tuesday. Complaining it validates Trump. They were so happy when market went down. Then back to complaining of doomsday bc orange man bad.
"I agree with almost everything you said. Except the part about them ""making their own chips to rival Nvidia"". That is just nonsense. They are using Nvidia chips that they got through black market channels."
Guaranteed the vast majority of Americans have never visited China much less know what life is like for regular people. They would have their minds blown if they ever stepped outside their country
笑死了，他们表现得比我们还了解习近平一样
"Lots of Americans DO work 16 hour days, but it’s not always at one job and it’s not always paid work.  Often it’s stuff like driving children or elders to doctor appointments between shifts at jobs that refuse to give enough hours to trigger benefits."
just keep watching... it'll drop another 20% at least
"Actually Kazakhstan is liberalising and (very carefully) turning away from Muscovy's sphere towards China and the West.

The US allies now are just Muscovy, North Korea and Israel."
it's japan
"It's falling a lot lately, even though the markets crashed (which usually leads to dollar going up due to flight to safety), and it is falling even though the rates are high. If FED cuts a few times this year, the dollar is toast.

Maybe they won't cut if the inflation goes bonkers, and even hike? But how could that happen, now that unemployment is going up and the economy is getting wrecked.

What do you think about this? Could the FED realistically hike?"
"So if I don't sell, they can't steal from me?"
it wasn't china. it was japan.
"China can also weather market weakness much better than the US can. Their households have saved a lot more money and they also can't really protest if their economy goes to shit. Plus they can (justifiably) blame the US for this which will stave off dissent. 

American households meanwhile are over leveraged and have minimal savings. Trump has a base but if the economy craters people will be furious."
Dig the trench.
There are not enough safe seats to protect Trump. He will be destroyed in `26 or earlier when Rep figure out this end in riots if they don't move.
"Reading, writing, and math are about the only three things that happen in American schools and we're not even good at those things either."
Calls on Spy tomorrow
Japan holding huge amount of US debts.... they're dumping
just be careful of the tarrific dead cat bounce tmrw
Japan is dumping too. Japanese are pissed off by Donnie too.
"Fall? This is the end of days, the end of civilisation as we know it. Only repenting to J Powell can save you now."
"I was up +50% but only sold at +20%, but I’ll take the win."
Turns out losing 100s of billions of dollars gave him a brief moment of clarity
“Big fire…strong fire….tears in its flames…”
Sleepy begs to differ
I think once trumps gone the party nearly folds for a decade.  Unless they win.
"As an American, who lived and traveled the world through work and leisure… There is many a times I’ve said I was Canadian…! lol  (true statement) Now, stop the energy from traveling south… no warnings… just turn off the switch…!  As a 66 year old man, I do hate who we have become… I just came back to the country after being abroad for quite a while, and just cannot believe how people act towards one another. I lost a relationship with my brother due to my sister-in-law‘s political views… Smh  Be safe!"
He is the dumbest motherfucker
"A little of column A, a little of column B."
"Euro-Salaries are peanuts, but dont forget, Pension-Fund as well as Healthcare and Unemployment-Insurance are included in Net as well. And the elephant in the room: Compare median vs median income, not average. Average wealth and income in US is huge because of some Ultra-rich guys.

Edit: And keep in mind, I am just a student as well."
"This made me wonder if China is indeed a motherland.

And it is.

Also interesting, the United States is neuter, neither motherland or fatherland."
The untold story of Chinese Americans. Chinese are the only ethnic group to be banned from becoming Americans till 1943 (Chinese Exclusion Act). Main reason was a Chinese were taking too many jobs as cheap labor.  In a sense that’s still what’s happening.
I'm from Kenya and I've seen frequent comparisons to Kenya and Singapore which were roughly economically at par at our independence in the mid-60's. But of course now there's no comparison: Singapore is basically a first-world country while Kenya still has some people dying of hunger. And the reason for this huge difference - leadership!
"Well, they have banned Disney. 

Basically, they are targeting constituents now for the upcoming mid-term elections. Hitting California isn't high on the list..but if there is an angle, they may just ban iPhones and support Huawei.

This is why I'm short QCOM. In USA they are being replaced, and in China they are at HIGH risk of being substituted by local companies (Mediatek). They are going to get slammed both in USA and China.

I've been looking for more names like these to short."
I think the termyou are looking for is Trump doesn't have the cards....
"Nah. All the conservatives in my neighborhood and at work that were deeply concerned with Hunter's dick size and the sports achievements of 20 trans athletes now ""aren't really paying attention to the news""."
"DT said he was in the toilet when all this happened, not his fault."
"Bang on. I've met some wonderful intelligent Americans, and have some very good friends there, but fuck me a large portion of the country live in a bubble and they are not going to cope well when it bursts.

The entire psyche of the country is broken."
"China needs hard currency a lot more than the US needs selfie sticks and they know it. 

Next thing they're going to do is start to huff and puff, we're going to attack Taiwan, we're going to attack Japan, we're going to attack Vietnam if you don't remove the tariffs, continue to pay ours, and go back to business as usual. 

It's going to get really interesting when they run out of cash for food and fuel. Then we will see who wears the pants, Chow Lee!"
"beating 2008  and its global meltdown will be tough, but if trump decides to  invade  canada in the next 2 months i like his chances."
Exactly. China has solid one party rule and a population that’s conditioned to deprivation. If Trump thinks they’re going to crack first he’s out of his mind.
"Trump might say, hey 2% is nothing. We put 104% tariff on China. 

Do u think he understands what bond rates means to US economy ?"
"Believe it or not, citizen in a single party ruled country of almost a century are more loyal to it cause then one with multiple parties.


There is no doubt China will outlast the US if it come down economic warfare if the US take the isolationist stand even against it old allies."
China is making USA take their medicine
My opinion is that people voted for this because they are just as dumb as there President is. Multiple CEO's have spoken out against tariffs (including Billionaires).
Overly dramatic much?
"Trump lost the last trade war with China, which is still costing us billions in subsidies for the U.S. farmers. He's unhapp6 with trade deals hrs responsible for establishing SMH."
"Uh yeah it does, we still trade with them so they should have tariffs like everyone else. Also what do zero tariffs matter Trump clearly doesn't give a shit about that. Vietnam was going to do it but it wasn't enough for him."
I worked on m&a side.  I know many prominent families in Taiwan are leaving Taiwan as they fear that Taiwan is going under.  Many mid-managers from big4 are leaving the country if they have a chance.
This was long overdue. Fuck free trade 😜
Lol Amazon sells all the same crap at higher prices
"The guy is not only twice impeached already but a convicted felon too.  He was reelected, clearly impeachments and convictions are meaningless."
"But have you ever worked for or with an Asian Company, especially Japanese or Tawainese? They do work a lot, yes, but they also work a lot of nonsense repetitive work that doesn't add any value, just because their supervisor or manager told them to. In the end, I'd say it just levels out. They just really commit to their deadlines, something that's not so much happening in the Western World. Workers here constantly manage to shift the goal posts."
"Be afwaid, be vewy vewy afwaid."
Projected = maybe= prospective = could= etc….  China has the best hand right now.
Is the US effectively putting sanctions on itself at this point?
"I think Trump wants Americans to produce. I think for him it’s a win win. 

If he makes a deal with China then he’s happy.

If it forces American companies to produce domestically then he’s happy. 


I don’t think he’s trying to twist their arm as much as everyone else thinks."
"Also, XI is an actual dictator. Trump is still just playing dictator and actually has a legislative branch and voters and stuff to consider."
"But ask yourself, who the hell is closing out short positions right now just to try to enter a continuation long? Top Institutions started closing long and loaded short at least a month or two ago. If anything you’re closing out long positions and loading more short positions… continuation seems to the short side almost certainly. I don’t think it’s cash to close positions, it’s cashing out to actually GTFO and/or load short if anything. We’ll see tomorrow ig but the water is already blood red."
wut? TIL... fascinating.
*Oh. my. god.*
One word : Intel
Who could have guessed Trump could get outplayed by another country... I mean besides all the experts and people with common sense.
He targeted those his first term too. The only difference is that now he runs amok mostly unchecked with support from the other branches.
"I don’t think people are understanding that it’s not about “China enduring” that’s the problem, it’s that China needs to consume. 

The US is a fat pig that is about to go on a detox to get fit again - this the US can do. China, on the other hand, now has to gorge itself with a large amount of food the US is about to leave behind. China has been trying to improve domestic consumption for over a decade with very little results. 

China has lowered their interest rates, given out bad loans, doubled & tripled down on those loans, injected liquidity…and yet the average Chinese citizen would rather put their money under the mattress and live pragmatically.

If China can’t offload their products domestically, internationally will prove really hard considering nations willing to negotiate with the US more and the EU being reluctant to take on more Chinese imports."
"Guess China doesn't need to respond immediately, when actions will suffice"
"My focus now is quite simple. Set some price points to dca back in. If the market switches to a bull run and rallies back to ATH I'm back in the green regardless of putting anything back in.

Just less green, however playing this way my majority cash is safe if we do indeed head downward. Can bring my average down in the process."
True. And our government is now taxing its citizens 104% to control the means of production so call that communism if you want as well
"Man that was actually a good read I'll give you that (only read PIIE, don't have time for the other we all know income inequality has grown and wages haven't gone up).

What you said does follow. You literally copy and pasted the findings of the study lol (or maybe copied it from AI, it's okay I don't blame you). Here's my personal take far more than just blindly following (copy & pasting) what it/AI tells me.

1. This study and its assumptions are relative to the US and Chinese (as that study heavily references) economies in 2010 which btw, is not 2005 like you suggested. The state of the US/ World economies and our trade dynamics are soooo different from what they were back then. Just that fact alone makes the assumed outcomes of this study way less viable.
2. There's a lot we can get into here but I'll share a few things that come to mind, I'll keep it simple: - Foreign debt, we have a ton of foreign debt way more than back then... what will a weaker dollar do? Increase cost of servicing that debt and could lead to making it even harder to manage. - You referenced this: *""10% depreciation of the dollar could reduce the U.S. current account deficit by 1.4% of GDP over three years""* with most improvements in the trade balance coming from increased exports. This study assumes increased exports will be backed by manual ""traditional"" manufacturing. Technology's gotten better and scarier and if we were going back to manual manufacturing then weakening the dollar, in this regard, maybe makes sense but manual traditional manufacturing is not coming back. Not in today's world.

My biggest takeaway from this is NO ONE knows how to put the pieces together to fix this mess, so in a way I guess just try whatever at this point. Either way we're all fucked."
"	Actually, that’s not how it works. U.S. food exports make up only about 2.1% of China’s total food imports. China sources food from a wide range of countries including Brazil, Argentina, Australia, and Russia. Losing U.S. supply wouldn’t “skyrocket” prices in the way you’re suggesting.

Also, China has one of the world’s largest agricultural sectors and maintains massive grain reserves. They’ve built resilience into their food supply chain specifically to withstand trade disruptions.

As for the claim about currency devaluation — yes, devaluation can make imports pricier, but it also boosts exports and helps offset tariffs. It’s not a “last resort,” it’s a common strategic tool in international trade.

And let’s not even compare modern China to the Great Famine — that was a tragic and very different historical context, driven by Mao-era policies. Xi’s leadership, while certainly controversial, operates in a radically different global and domestic environment.

American are so illiterate, no wonder you guys don’t learn."
All my crew have been putting make up on to lighten their skin color before they go work now.
"I’m a doctor, what a lot of people don’t realise is that he’s essentially cut off the supply of HIV therapy to hundreds of millions of people…what happens when people don’t get their HIV meds and then restart them some undisclosed time later? A) their HIV comes back, B) it develops resistance to the previous meds…you can add multi drug resistant HIV/AIDS spreading around the world to your Trump is a fucktard bingo list. Many Americans don’t care but they will when he tarrifs pharma as well."
I have to believe in karma and the afterlife because this man is going to cause so much hurt and suffering on so many people while he enters the final years of his wretched life
How do we know it’s China that’s dumping US bonds?
"And how much they’ve been expected this moment, and preparing by buying up debt and treasuries they can dump to fuck the US economy (allegedly)."
Chinese Funds or Gold seems like the best bets now.
"Wait what? Your central bank has its own police force? As a European, that's a fascinating fact."
So they don’t need more MAGA hats then.
"We could see the dollar go kaput. But realistically, the value of the dollar could go down as much as 50% (not joking)"
"Those arent bad policies, but many  blatantly support the people who fund the Dems, like pharma lobbyists. 

He could have lowered the cost of prescription drugs for everybody. He could have set drug prices - made the maximum amount you could charge for insulin $20. He could have done anything to insurance companies. He could have allowed for the FDA to allow foreign medications into the United States. 


I'm skipping over some of your market stuff, as there's going to be a lot of "" what ifs"". He did fine.

Take the infrastructure bill, he could have dedicated some of that to high speed rail systems like every other first world country has. But they want to keep infrastructure car based. He dedicated 500 billion to this, then gave 175 billion to Israel. to bomb children in Gaza. 


Progressives open tiktok, they see their tax dollars paying to bomb 5-year-old girl in Gaza. They see the New York mayor signing bombs. When they make a stink about this the government bans the app. 


At the end of the day, millions of Americans were dissatisfied with both parties and sat out the election. Blue collar workers don't get the benefits of Medicare.  the last seven or so years have felt like a recession. There aren't good jobs. People can't afford homes, cars, health insurance, medications, child care, and many other basic amenities."
"Exactly, a MM is not a bank deposit. It has risk. The comment that I was responding to is under the impression that ""...the money market rolls over to higher yielding treasuries.."" as if there is not a risk that that doesn't happen and the buck gets broke."
Gotta start buying those MCHI shares.
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"I think your post actually represents the average American 

Truthfully we have never had a situation like this before. We can look at historical technicals for drawdowns but the tariffs have to be removed. If they aren't we're going into some type of scenario no one wants to be in. Congress would act before that happened but you also could be in a 50% market drawdown when Congress does act 

I don't really know how this plays out because I was expecting Trump to just bully people, be his normal asshole self, work some deals, play golf and chant to his Red hats. What he's doing is not even logical 

Even his own people are seeing it I'm not sure how he really comes back from this if he doesn't start announcing deals and trade and so on and so forth in the next few days. People are going to be calling their congressman before long. probably already are. We have no idea what is happening behind the scenes did we do know Ted Cruz and Rand Paul are all over TV talking about what a ridiculous idea this is. They are strong enough to do that. We don't know how many more Junior Republican people in Congress are calling and saying I will support you if you have the numbers. The thing is if Congress has to take away Trump's tariff toy, his presidency will be permanently shattered. It would be the same as watching him get beat up like his ego would never recover. Maybe he would resign? Like you just don't know"
If inflation starts to run away the Fed will raise interest rates.
"How are they transferring wealth?

Do they short the market on the way down?

Or do they buy it low when it has bottom from normal people selling low?"
"yeah you don't have to explain this to me, I agree with you. I was just attempting to answer your question but maybe the question was too vague or I misinterpreted it. I think the guy getting downvoted above should not be downvoted at all, he's also right. China flooding markets with cheap products are killing lots of businesses internationally. Both you and the guy above pointed it out, Trump is taking a hammer to the issue and not a chisel and causing serious damage."
"> Oh but he was kinda late

*I had a busy day. Sue me.*"
Oh yeah we have a red wave already. Have you seen the markets recently? What is there but red?
I honestly didnt think the US was actually this f-ing stupid. I was hoping there was a plan. some 3d chess. whatever. it was just wishfull thinking. US is economically fucked.
"There's likely multiple factors. Investors may just not feel safe putting money anywhere, but either way it's not a good sign"
"Seriously, it is so true. I remember when we started a factory in USA (automotive). First batches of employees trained in Europe were thinking all of them will be on manager positions."
More like 2-3 years 🫠
"I don't really get it. Shouldn't the presidents main job be to increase stability and prosperity? 


It seems like Trump is doing the very opposite of that. Why do the Americans let him keep the job?"
"Gold is the new reserve currency, bend the knee"
this is different than before. It was simply caused by a stupid and arrgont racist.
Abyss
What does this mean for the average person?
At least he tried to reduce Rome’s deficit
"The rich have cash reserves. They don't care. They'll run away to another country like they already did during the fall of all the other great empires.

It's you, the commoner, who has to stay and suffer."
"There is safety in numbers and none of the republican senators want to risk their neck. They betray their oath. They betray the people. They betray their own conscience.

Trump is not concerned currently because he is printing billions. Literally siphoning bribes from the billionaires, common folks and other countries. In the off event that he allows future election to take place and loses, he will seek sanctuary in Russia with 100 billion instead.

Take down his sycophants one by one and Trump will collapse. A bully is only strong when backed by numbers."
"If I rob you of 100 quid, are you chill with that because it’s given you the chance too earn another 100?"
We live in a dictatorship. There.
Strongest argument against the all powerful deep state existing is the fact this orange turd is still floating.
"this. ☝️
kind of reminds me of 8/5/24"
Is someone still think that Trump not intentionally creating recession?
"Those who are eager for Armageddon, please open your windows look outside people are still out and about. Americans don’t buy few non necessities for next couple month they would survive but Chinese would be banging on door to make a deal with USA."
"I live overseas and it is astounding what people's reactions are back home when I show them photos of my life abroad. ""Wow, it's so nice there!"" ""That house is nicer than mine!"" ""Do you have electricity all day?"" Tbh a lot of things about life in the DEVELOPING country where I live are nicer than in the US! It's hard to express to people. I think your comment hits this reality right on the nose!"
"Once it hits the bottom, probably. Bits of it all over i imagine. Should be pretty spectacular. 

Mandrake, where are the black capsules? Damn that man, where is he...?"
"Believe it or not, Bidenomics."
The Abyss
"Maybe DOGE will ""fix"" them before that 😀"
What the fuck
Packing their golden parachutes.
Im not familiar with Canadian politics. Seems like we’re both in a shitty place
"You’re 38. Time horizon is long. It’s a good time to reexamine why you’re invested in the first place. If you’re invested for a quick profit or for next year, visibility is uncertain. If you’re invested for the long term, your best bet is to really understand and manage long term risk. There are several stocks I’ve sold because I don’t have a firm grasp on long term risk. That doesn’t mean I don’t know what it will do tomorrow or next week, or even this year. It means my speculative appetite is no longer as robust in that particular stock, especially with other options. 

As for “blow up the entire financial system”, take a deep breath. World war 2 couldn’t bring down the stock market. Neither could the Cuban missile crisis. Not 9/11 or the financial crisis of 2008. The American capitalist system, with all its flaws has still been the best system for innovation, corporate growth and wealth creation. 

My suspicion is your personal biases and having a myopic view of short-termism are exacerbating these feelings. It’s normal. Many people feel this way. However as an investor, your job is to understand yourself, your goals, the risks presented to you to your best ability and make sound decisions that reflect the goals for your future self. Your job isn’t to react to headlines, make the most profits tomorrow or dodge some unknown shock to the markets. Nobody can do that."
Gold values went crazy during the 70's stagflation crisis which is probably the closest proxy to what we have right now.
China is booming. When JD Vance calls the Chinese peasants it worries me US leadership has no idea what the world looks like today
be prepared to feel that way for next 4 years
"They had some MAGA hat on the news earlier saying how it’ll be bad for 6 months or so and after that they’ll see things come together.

So only 6 more months all!"
You forgot gutting the education system so it’s unlikely young people will become anything beyond basic lab techs.
"How would this affect the dollar? I guess it would make it cheaper?

Usually the dollars get converted to bonds, and the huge demand for US bonds allows the US to print a lot of dollars without creating an oversupply of dollars. But if the bonds demand drops, there is no place for dollars to go, and they would kind of pile up, without meeting a demand for them?

Am I thinking about this correctly?"
I have not - what's the song?
Successful for smugglers in Canada. Imagine undercutting Nike by 30% and still making a load of money off a lorry full of trainers.
You just reminded me of a really good writing prompt from a few years ago ...
"Honestly, the European deal was also a bit of a trick, I think. It’s something trump could not take, even normally.

It did not include the US agricultural industry or service sector. It was literally just the part, where the EU has massive trade surplus and thus is already stronger than the US.

I liked the plan, but sadly he is not as stupid as we hoped."
Mummy I’m glad I sold
"The US just fired their top navy admirals cause they were women. The people whose entire purpose and training were to counterchina are being fired to purge wokeness from the military.

If ever there was a time to call the US's bluff over Taiwan, now would be the time."
China has a different value system to the US. Companies and CEOs there aren’t constantly chasing quarterly reports or “green line go up”. It’s hard to imagine them folding especially when they’re being pushed around and being called peasants. Gotta remember - pandas have claws 🐼
All it means is that they will move to a local Cloud provider even if it is a little more expensive than AWS and has less functionality. On prem is dead for good.
Yes it happens irrespectable of humans. Its a term invented by hedgefunds profiting from carbon credits
Will the rich get richer when the dollar no longer has reserve status? There will be way too much chaos in the markets. 
"> Reduced government spending? Check. 

Massive tax breaks for the rich that need to be paid for by everyone else. Check. 

If you think government spending is going to down proportional to the loss of revenue of income tax, I have a bridge to sell you."
"Republicans who actually stand for Americans and American values will remove him....

So essentially not enough.

Maybe if there was a hidden vote?"
I'm in the same spot. Sold voo. I'm back in 20%. it's somewhat stressful trying not to miss the bottom but far less stressful than losing thousands a day
Apple will die anyway because of tariffs.
Ah yes. Relying on emotions for investment decisions. Sounds fool proof.
Yeah this feels like February 2020 time to buckle up
"No. He’s not the same as Trump. Xi started at the grassroots level in the 1970s, working in rural areas during the Cultural Revolution, then rose through various regional leadership roles (like governor of Fujian, party chief in Zhejiang, etc.) He started from the bottom of the political barrel and made his way up unlike Trump. Money cannot buy you presidency is China."
"It’s the investors that have buy orders at -20% and -40% in some cases.
A lot of stock that’s becoming really cheap"
How about we start exporting mangos
"I bet they are. But with a lunatic in the white house unchecked by Congress or SCOTUS, that rating is worth as much as the pixels it's written on."
"Make that in future too.

This guy is the greatest fool of all time that no one can ever be greater. His ego literally cannot fit in the universe and will cause a rip in space-time."
Here is a pole up vote if you think he’s a lunatic down if you think this makes sense.
How do we know China is dumping?
AMEN !!!!
People who have good relations with us should show it by having roughly equal tariffs. Someone has yet to explain to me the fundamental problem with expecting your friends to act friendly towards you. Ideally we could all be good friends and have very low or no tariffs.
"Worth less. Not worthless. This post is specifically about Treasury Bonds. The cause of the drop in value could just be a need for liquidity and not a Chinese Conspiracy. Who knows what tomorrow brings. The idiot in chief doesn't give a F. Look at how well he did in his own business career before he became a reality TV star. 

I made a post not long ago: [So next time will the Fed just buy all the Treasuries?](https://www.reddit.com/r/stocks/comments/1jawdo5/so_next_time_will_the_fed_just_have_to_buy_all/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) Which didn't seem well liked."
"China has been preparing for a full scale war with the US + Western Alliance for years.

Now it only has to fight a full scale economic war with US alone. It can count of moral and economic support from the former US allies.

It is perfect conditions for the Chinese that have been spoiling for a fight."
"You theory doesn't stand up became Trump is clearly not very smart and in 3 years a lot can happen, eg: war with China, war in Taiwan / EU, USD losing the monetary reserve status, the mother of all economic recession, think Argentina just a few times worse. "
crazy underrated comment 💀
"The US will lose way more than China with tariffs. They are not going to lose face publicly either so insulting them or threatening them just makes a negotiation less likely. Vance put the cherry on top with his idiotic comment: “We borrow money from Chinese peasants to buy the things those Chinese peasants manufacture”. 

Yeah. They aren’t caving and it will be a bloodbath."
"I’ll allow that cope, as I need it"
"That's exactly the same feeling I have 

That 60 vix you would think would be a washout but like you point out, we aren't really trading that way. Everything is on edge but a positive resolution, God if that hits, s&p 5 plus percent. I wouldn't even be surprised to see it hit 10 if the deal is good enough, crazy move. Even if they slowly step out things like we made a deal with this country and the market can get a feeling for what is on the way I think that gives us our floor. I'm just hesitant to deploy reserve cash positions simply because of the math. If this goes GFC. We could easily have another thousand points down, maybe more

They say you can either choose to be early or late and with this one I'm choosing late"
"Trump did tariffs during his first term in 2018 (and Biden kept them). The stock market went down then, too. In fact, it ***panicked***.

How'd the stock market do since then? 🤔"
"Tbf, even if they set foot, it may still be nonsense."
The only thing we know for sure is that he won’t do it in the smartest way possible
He doesn’t have the MAGA following. So there’s that. At least. 
"Umm yes you can jsut not collect that tax revenue.  Reduced government spending? Check. Increase government revenue by instituting tariffs? Check. 
How would giving Americans 22% of their income back in the form of the abolishment of the income tax, reduce the amount of money they are willing to spend?"
"Sorry but why would be buying stocks , or you mean buying puts on those stocks?"
Buy all the cheap stuff you can now. It's going to be 150% soon.
Largest market cap doesn't make Apple the most valuable. Apple is the least innovative tech company of the mag 7
Trump keeps winning 🥇
Traitor trench?
Can someone explain to me what constitutes caving? What exactly is being negotiated here? Lower tariffs from China's side applied to US imports?
sounds exactly like whats happened to russia-brainwashed people here in eastern Ukraine. Easier to cut off than to convince. Media environments for MAGA and russian news must be similar.
"That isn't how that would work. China would invade Taiwan because the pain of the US effectively barring trade from the country has already done its damage, and they would call the US's bluff of strategic ambiguity. There would be no ""hostage"" holding as a bargaining chip, it would be an annexation they had planned for decades. If the US is going to be belligerent to everything the CCP does regardless of their actual actions, why not do a hail mary."
Its pay back because he agreed to step down from running for president as a 3rd  party candidate that would have  taken a percentage of the vote from Rump and the election might have been close.
"If you are going to own a gun for the first time, spend some money at a local range to rent a few with your range time to see what you like and can shoot more accurately."
"you seem to have posted this exact same post around 10 times on reddit. if you feel an urgency, maybe you need some mental counseling help ?  it is nothing to be ashamed of. I suggest you get  some help asap."
"I want one! A light bulb that looks cool and smells delicious! Although, how would the light go through the chocolate icing?"
lol 😆
China can simply tax Apple's exports going out of China.
" China has shown it's able to take lots of economic pain, even when self inflicted. Now it's from a foreign power. They won't cave.


> And since china is now sending combat troops to fight in Ukraine, I have zero pity for them.


Americans are so low information.  No, China is not sending troops to Ukraine you dumbass."
"EddyElfenbein to explain what really happened on Monday. My oh my. 


"" On Monday, the stock market had an especially volatile morning. In just eight minutes, the S&P 500 rallied 5.66%. It then promptly lost 4.37% over the next seven minutes. We’re talking about several trillion dollars magically appearing and disappearing during less time than a lunchbreak.


What happened? Well, that’s a good question. It appears that Kevin Hassett, the Director of the National Economic Council, was being interview on Fox News. During the interview he was asked if the president was considering a 90-day pause for his tariff policies. Hassett clearly gave a non-committal answer (“the president is going to decide what the president is going to decide.”)


Somehow someone on Twitter took that for a yes and tweeted it out. That was from a small account (less than 1,000 followers), but soon a much larger account known as “Walter Bloomberg” reposted it, and suddenly, this was taken as serious news on Wall Street.


I should add that Walter Bloomberg is not connected with Bloomberg, the financial news service. His tweet came out at 10:11 am and by 10:12 am, CNN reported that cheers erupted on the floor of the NYSE. I guess that’s a good barometer of how unpopular the tariffs are on Wall Street.


At CNBC, the anchors were completely baffled by the market’s surge and by 10:15 am, they were reporting on the news. Soon Reuters was referencing CNBC but they were only going on what Twitter was saying. Soon people were referencing people who were referencing people who were just making things up."""
Why would china do that? Makes no sense.
Yeah but... What is Jim Cramer saying so I can do the opposite?
"Exactly. Average redditor that does not know an ounce of gratitude. I know way too many highly educated Chinese people that are making more than 400k here, many are my current and former colleagues. They dont necessarily hate China but they all chose to come here and persevere through all the immigration obstacles in order to stay. They will all say that this person has zero idea what he/she/whatever pronouns is talking about"
"Afghanistan Laos Cambodia Yugoslavia Grenada Panama Peru Iran Somalia Sudan Congo Cuba Korea Iraq Yemen Palestine Syria Pakistan El Salvador Kuwait Libya Guatemala Nicaragua Indonesia

Oh don't mind me. That's just a list of every country the US has bombed since the PRC came into existence. Curious, what puts China on that level?"
"While trump is expanding his power in unprecedented ways, this isn't exactly that. Presidents have mostly had pretty wide power to enact tariffs. But, while this was just Trump, it really wasn't, because Congress can stop him and they aren't. So he is implicitly being backed by Congress."
"I’ll go out on a limb and say he probably actually has close to, if not absolute, zero leverage here."
So many Chinese communists on Reddit 🙂 Trade-surplus countries have no ammunition in trade wars. They are the ones with everything to lose. China is fucked.
Does this mean this news is overblown?
"I hate Elon as much as everyone else, but he actually came up with going back to 0 for 0 EU tariffs. 


I think he’s already thrown the towel in"
"I worked in the market for 15 years starting in just before the 2000 crash.   it is very interesting that in 2000, 2008 and 2020 the Vix hit 79/80 and that was the bottom. I think we see wild sings but even after it bottoms and bounces if the situation remains I don't think it rebounds all that much

as for now even the slightest bit of good news you see large quick bounce.  crazy market with the vix this high.  but we aren't seeing much of the moves up."
"Who's gonna remove him? US has so few checks and balances for the president, it's unreal. Most of it is based on ""he wouldn't dare to do that"" or ""this law wasn't supposed to be invoced that way""."
America never really had the dark ages and couldn't enjoy the black plague. Trump is clearly jealous of european history and is doing his best to make it at home.
"They've already turned some off. They cut some off in December and also put restrictions on more this week. Seven categories of medium and heavy rare earths, including samarium, gadolinium, terbium, dysprosium, lutetium, scandium and yttrium-related items"
"Ok So I asked Gemini to generate Nero speaking in the style of trump and it killed me:

Alright, alright, settle down, settle down, you beautiful people! Believe me, you are beautiful. The best people. And you know it.

They're saying things, folks. Terrible things. The fake news is out there, they're saying Nero, this great emperor – one of the greatest, frankly, maybe the greatest – they're saying he, uh, might have had something to do with the… the little bonfire we had the other night. A little… spontaneous combustion, you could call it. Very unfortunate. Very, very sad.

But let me tell you, these are losers. These are the same people who said my lyre playing was… not the best. Can you believe it? The most beautiful music, folks. Tremendous music. Everyone agrees.

And this fire? Let me tell you, it was a disaster, a terrible, terrible thing. But you know what? Sometimes, you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet. A big, beautiful omelet. And that’s what we’re doing here in Rome. We’re making it great again!

This old city? Frankly, it was a mess. Dilapidated. Sad. Falling apart. The buildings? Believe me, they were no good. Crooked. Weak. Not the best materials. We needed something better. Something stronger. Something… modern.

And now? Now we have a clean slate. A beautiful opportunity. We’re going to rebuild Rome, bigger and better than ever before. The most magnificent city the world has ever seen. Palaces, folks, you wouldn’t believe. Colosseums that will make your head spin. Everything will be the best. The absolute best.

They say I was playing the fiddle, right? The… the violin. A beautiful instrument. And you know what? Sometimes, when you have a vision, a tremendous vision for the future, you need a little… inspiration. A little music to get the creative juices flowing. It’s called art, folks. You wouldn’t understand.

And these… these Christians they’re blaming? Honestly, they’re probably the ones who started it! Very nasty people. Believe me. They’re always causing trouble. We’ll look into it. We’ll get to the bottom of it. The best investigators, the best.
So, don’t listen to the haters. Don’t listen to the fake news.

 This fire, while a tragedy, is also an opportunity. An opportunity to build something truly spectacular. Something that will be the envy of the entire world.

We are going to make Rome great again! Believe me. It’s going to be tremendous. The best Rome. You’ll see. Thank you, and God bless Rome! And God bless me! You deserve it!"
"From my understanding, higher bond yields makes them more attractive investments than stocks since they are much less risky."
"I think it’s better to say that they were able to stabilize the economy and now that is being undone. Tariffs are deflationary so we shouldn’t see inflation rise. If anything, the fed will cut rates to keep inflation at previous levels instead of allowing for deflation.

Refinance your home if you have one."
"Got a typo in your post. It’s (convicted) felon, not fellow."
"nah, more like almost landing and cheeto says 'full throttle'"
"Quick explanation:  UST yields are up bc holders are selling UST due to inflation risk (yields are inverse to price so higher yields = lower price).

Higher inflation is also bad for growth stocks too.

Separately, before the China conjecture gets out of control.  Everyone knows that China can't dump UST bc it will cater the yuan and hurt its economy more than the US'."
We need a re post in explain me like I'm 5.
"I guess you don't have good reading comprehension. 

You can't just not collect that tax revenue. It has to come from another source. That source will be tariffs and a national sales tax. This means low income families *who need to buy things to survive* will actually pay MORE in taxes than with the current progressive tax system. 

So no, that will not have a positive impact on the US economy. It will even FURTHER reduce the average American's spending power, and it will discourage spending in general, which will then slow down the economy."
"The problem is, Tump might still be popular among GOP voters. Despite all the pains he caused to each and everyone of them, they still worship him like second cumming of christ"
"I mean at his point you might as well ban trade with china entirely, then with everyone who doesn't submit to the mango."
">Why aren't MMs FDIC insured?

for the obvious reason that FDIC protects bank deposits, not investments

that is the reason, plain and simple"
"So what is the main cost? I mean, they must make their own components in US as well, mine metals, etc. so the whole cost increases equally much, not just 3% of the last guy doing the work."
Tim Cook went to that inauguration for nothing.
"Argentina and Brazil increased their production as a result. And now US farmers can only get half the price for their soybeans than they used to before Trump's first term. And crazily enough, many of those farmers voted for Trump again!"
Guess selling out a fair portion of my VTI (VUSA) position at yesterdays highs to only hit a small loss was the play. Now have 1/4 in and 3/4 cash. Can sit and ponder now with majority in cash now.
Thanks Obama
Let's have a look at history and see how things worked out so far for North Korea...
"Stay tuned, next he'll announce tariffs on the tariffs."
It's going to be green again. It's madness out there I'm telling ya
wait so I shouldn't buy treasuries?
"Look, NVDA is a super valuable company with a high likelihood to recover long-term term (my perspective). It's not just a hype company. 

What you need to keep in mind is that you shall only put money in this type of investment if you do not need the money in the short term. This will prevent you from selling at a loss. Do not sell and wait for the market recovery (it will take time). What is happening to NVDIA is not a reflection of bad management or bad business. It's just a reflection of Trump's tariffs - external factors. It will likely recover when the market recovers. 

Even if the markets would be high, if you invest in stocks and leave it there for a short term only, your returns probably won't be that significative.  

This is a long-term game to play. Investing in stocks specifically - more volatile - also requires a bit of stomach. It will go up, it will go down, etc. It's also less diversified, and thus the risks are higher. Consider in the future if this is the right investment for your risk tolerance or not. 

Anyway, my thinking is: 
Unless you desperately need this money right now, there's no reason whatsoever for you to panic and sell for NVIDIA specific case, losing part of your money. Be patient and wait. 

P.S. 
I bought NVDIA last Monday when it was super low, only thing green in my portfolio. I'm considering buying even more this week."
Ain’t much better up here in Canada lol.
The man drives his golf carts onto the greens. He can't even do the most low intensity sport in the world.
Stocks are dropping bud.
"Because Trump would Veto is and they need 66% percent of both chambers. Maybe they could ge that in the senate.

No fucking way they can get that in the House.

That. And maybe Trump isn’t some anomaly. He’s a representation of the current Republican Party. He’s their president. Of course they love him. They let him sick an angry mob on them. They cleared him of collusion when his son was secretly meeting with Russian government officials.

I think Dems will be too weak to do anything unless a dark horse wins. Look at how they handled Tim Walz as a vp pick. He got picked because of his tv interviews. Those called him to go up.

The Dems then listened to a bunch of weak consultants who never won an election telling them Walz was to mean so they got to pull his interviews."
"At this point Taiwan should consider peacefully integrating into China. Better than getting fucked by the US, destroyed by China (with no US protection) and then captured"
And gold/silver.
"This should be a huge win for the United states. For the past decade the only thing I've heard about China is how shitty the Chinese products are how much better American products are and how we are so pissed about these low quality Chinese products. Not that the tariffs have been hit against china, we no longer have to deal with these low quality products from China and we can get high quality products from the United states. Just like we wanted all along"
"China will cave, but not quickly. Their economy is in very poor condition now and it will get worse."
You know what they say about playing chess with an idiot.
CIA has no motion anymore…right when we needed it 💔💔
Should double each day they dint come to the table.
"Is it possible the $75 minimum means you might get a higher value item that hasn't been assessed, but you still get hit with that minimum amount anyway? That way they wouldn't need to check all packages, they might just charge a $75 flat rate for cheaper items coming from China."
pretty sure Elon is going to throw the towel in soon. Trump also jacked pentagon spending by 200B to go over 1 trillion now.  Elon knows the US deficit is F’d beyond repair now
It’s going to be a ride for sure. I don’t think that Trump understands who Xi is.
"doest microsoft's sucess in china hasn't taught USA anything?

  
Dont forbidden them to use, dumping products to them to make them don't want to produce themself."
I wonder what the US debt was back then.. hmm.
"Yeah, but what about their unconditional devotion to a diarrheatic mutation hell bent on destroying their country."
The call is coming from inside the house!
Way too coherent for Trump
Have you guys said xie xie today?
I ranted to my brother that this would happen weeks ago. But didn't sell anything. Oh well...
They apparently don’t understand exchange rates either
His approval rating is still between 42% and 47% (depending on the poll). It's unbelievable how dumb nearly half of the US population is. That worries me the most (long term).
Look up 'tofu construction'. Become more aware.
Nothing to worry about. We're going to be down for months at least 
I know what you’re saying but this term is just plain cruel cancelling student’s visa and arresting them for speaking their believes is another level of cruelty. Arresting people and detaining them in a foreign prison where they don’t belong etc.
The entire world is cheering. Even Russia and islands with only penguins on them. 
"If he goes through with his tariff insanity definitely yes. I thought anyone who said that any of Clinton through Trump 1 were the worse presidents in history where idiots because the US has had some truly awful presidents during the 1800s to 1900s. 
But Trump 2? Jesus fucking Christ I got called woke for explaining comparative advantage and what supply chain management was."
"But how long will that take to move drug production to America? How does this logically make sense for companies to pay more in tarrifs while abroad, deal with reduced revenue/margins all while spendig capital to establish a home base and transition smoothly to be a 'thriving' domestic company, paying higher wages, higher utilities, taxes, etc. Scale this to any industry, any company, this makes no sense."
Anti intellectualism has made Americans stupid
"Jusr leaves tge most rabid ones, which they can use to better gerrymander"
"So, let’s get ready to pay mega money for our products. This will be hard"
The only reason that matters is that Xi cannot kiss the ring in front of his people or else his power weakens and there is increased likelihood of internal issues.
Absolutely. Nor shortage of short sighted self centered bigoted assholes. That's why our elected president is a short sighted self centered bigoted asshole. 
"In my opinion it’s very rational. Everyone immediately shorts, the counterparties are market makers like citadel. 

They see that it only takes a “little bit” to start a cascading liquidation so they tip the domino. They short squeeze retail and the price skyrockets temporarily. 

Once all of the “high risk” shorts have been cleared they use the upward momentum to lull retail into buying as the market makers “short” discretely. The price eventually crashes, retail is left holding the bag, then they rinse and repeat."
It’s more that their leveraged positions are at risk of high interest due to high IV which can induce a short squeeze. They need cash to close positions.
"I know.  we are okay with some tariffs.  not like tariffs are a new thing.  but nothing like this has ever happened.  90 countries in a month.  the only large tariffs comparable led into the great depression. 

this was not calculated based on the type of goods, the country etc. was just some haphazard numbers based on very very lazy math.  no economists were involved to figure out what numbers make sense what what and where.

a good example is coffee, chocolate and bananas.  why have tariffs on produce we have no ability to produce in our own country?  we have to import them.  we are simply making them more expensive for no reason.  those countries barely import anything from us since they don't have money to buy anything

lumber is another good example.  if you loo at housing becoming excessively expensive it started in 2017 when he put tariffs on Candanian lumber.  but why?  we don't product enough lumber and have no desire or plans to.  are we going to produce enough lumber here?  no way.  we are just going to pay more.

there are many things we can strategically do to negotiate with countries.  we are not doing that.  everyone is just making plans to avoid the US.  they hate Trump and many countries simply laughed at hi, as they know it will damage the US more than them."
"It’s not empathy, it’s not wanting to believe it could get so bad, and it’s the uncertainty of what Trump is doing everyone is assuming this trade war will somehow be averted but what if it doesn’t and then in the next News cycle it starts over the shits crazy"
"Eh youre canadian, not maga. Given how much of a shitshow our country is right now, we deserve to get laughed at by other countries."
"That is why Trump illegally extended the TikTok ban.

If there wasn't that distracting young adults more would be realizing the incoming shit storm that is this administration."
Also Cost of living in New York City is 200% higher than in Shanghai just to give an example. Pretty much across the board it's much more affordable for rent and necessities in China than it is in the USA.
I've found that it's so much more about the information people don't receive than misinformation they actually receive
Return to the dark ages.
That’s so fuxking funny it hurts!
Make America Greatly Depressed Again
"speaking from experience, Americans are pain in the ass to trade & deal with in general - i have so much better experience with russians or chinese, east in general - u re actually treated with respect, unlike Americans who think they are doing u a favor for buying from u.."
China EV are tops. I wish I could test drive and have option to buy one.
is that why Trump goes to extremes?
"Think about it. Why are there bank runs? Why aren't MMs FDIC insured?

A readable book about what can go wrong: [Crashed](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/36950522-crashed)"
"Copy paste of my own comment lol

Ima try my best.

People are saying ""China dumping US treasuries,"" -not yet confirmed is China but just pure speculation due to tariffs situation- they mean that China is selling off its holdings of US government bonds, known as treasuries. These bonds are a way for the US government to borrow money, and China has been one of the largest buyers of them for many years.

Now, this could lead to an increase in US interest rates, as the US would need to offer higher rates to attract new buyers for the bonds. It could also affect global markets, as US treasuries are considered one of the safest investments -idk about that as of right now-.

FYI bonds is basically when a country needs funds for whatever reason -schools, building roads, etc- it borrows money from people or this case, a country. They get the money upfront and then they return it later with a little extra as interest for letting them borrow.

Aight, this just means China -speculative- is putting less money or lending less money to the US as of right now, which leads to what's happening currently, yields are going up -this is like the interest rate you earn on bonds. When lots of people buy bonds, their price goes up, and the yield (interest rate) goes down.- even though stock markets are going down. Normally, you'd expect the yield to go down when the market crashes because people would be buying bonds for safety. But if the yield is going up while the stock market down, it suggests that people are losing confidence in US treasury bonds causing the US would struggle to borrow money, interest rates could skyrocket, and it would likely make the economy much worse than during the 2008 financial crisis. 

Tldr; we're fucked, bye now ima jump off a building, peace out✌️"
China will be laughing all the way to the bank...
"Nation = sovereignty, doesn't matter the size
Middleman = APAC HQ
People = not stupid enough to elect such an incompetent buffoon for a leader.

What about your country?"
"> They are hegemonic too, but at least they are rational and stable.

The difference is they have state capitalism with essentially less barriers which allows capitalism to operate more efficiently, but without the ability of capitalism to take over the state."
Lmfao Trump is about to reunify China and Taiwan. Hot damn.
"Just curious, has Donald trump disrupting the entire world order and setting the US up to be a global pariah made life for you more difficult as a US citizen? Especially since you’re living in the country where he seems to have mainly focused his tariff sights on."
Honestly? They've created a monster that they can't control at this point.
"It's gotta happen, right? Like I get that there's a few that really are just dumb and follow Trump the same way the average MAGA does. But most of them are not stupid. A little evil, a little conniving, but they aren't stupid or incompetent - they usually are pretty good at what they're doing. I feel the 25th or a successful impeachment & removal is inevitable unless Trump has them all hostage to something we don't know about."
"CPI is on Friday and it's not going to be good. FUCK. this is just like last time, perfect storm of recklessness at the wrong time because he can't fucking see the big picture.

REPUBLICANS ARE BAD FOR THE ECONOMY STOP VOTING THEM IN."
I laughed so hard
It sucks for the world but what he really is destroying is US hegemony and US wealth
"The infighting has begun in earnest. The different factions within the GOP know Trump has overplayed his hand and are  smelling blood in the water. 

Hardline fiscal hawks are balking at his requested budget, the 1 trillion in new spending for the military, and the lack of progress toward the 1.5 - 2.0 trillion in deficit cuts (primarily entitlements) he promised during his campaign.

Trump doesn't have the votes within the GOP for his plan and won't be able to go to the Democrats for votes to make up the difference. The economic pain just gives these other factions more leverage over Trump.

If Congress breaks for their two week recess without a vote on his plan, you will know Trump's goose is cooked."
"Good luck finding let's say white Eastern or South Europeans willing to work for such low prices. Even Belarus has better working conditions.

Donald, it's not 1950s anymore. Conditions in Europe (and half of the world) has changed and improved.

Even half of Africa would say ""No"" to such prices with exception of Sudan and Somalia."
"Doesn't invalidate my point.  Especially since Russia does not have Tariffs on US goods, like other countries do.  Also add the fact they are negotiating a peace deal on the Ukraine war.  So a lot more moving factors with Russia vs other countries.


Now maybe it will come into play later based on the Ukraine negotiations.  We will see."
"Ima try my best.

People are saying ""China dumping US treasuries,"" -not yet confirmed is China but just pure speculation due to tariffs situation- they mean that China is selling off its holdings of US government bonds, known as treasuries. These bonds are a way for the US government to borrow money, and China has been one of the largest buyers of them for many years.

Now, this could lead to an increase in US interest rates, as the US would need to offer higher rates to attract new buyers for the bonds. It could also affect global markets, as US treasuries are considered one of the safest investments -idk about that as of right now-.

FYI bonds is basically when a country needs funds for whatever reason -schools, building roads, etc- it borrows money from people or this case, a country. They get the money upfront and then they return it later with a little extra as interest for letting them borrow.

Aight, this just means China -speculative- is putting less money or lending less money to the US as of right now, which leads to what's happening currently, yields are going up -this is like the interest rate you earn on bonds. When lots of people buy bonds, their price goes up, and the yield (interest rate) goes down.- even though stock markets are going down. Normally, you'd expect the yield to go down when the market crashes because people would be buying bonds for safety. But if the yield is going up while the stock market down, it suggests that people are losing confidence in US treasury bonds causing the US would struggle to borrow money, interest rates could skyrocket, and it would likely make the economy much worse than during the 2008 financial crisis. 

Tldr; we're fucked, bye now ima jump off a building, peace out✌️"
cPhone
"well written - now considering china will try to make deals with eu, and possibly canada - what will trump do if his former allies actually unite against US"
"Back at 4.9 as of this posting:
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/30-year-bond-yield

However, we have been at 5% before in 2023.


If this moves another 50 basis points (to >5.4%) by US market open, that's when shit gets very real, very fast."
"Next week an IPhone cost $10,000"
"No now he is trying deport people to other countries where they don’t belong. Literally cruel to everyone except white men. Abortion, dei, etc.. literally all the policies are cruel. Shitcoin pump and dump."
"傻逼东西真是没法被教育。怎么reddit全是傻逼🐶🤦

每个人估计连她妈的福建省在哪都不知道就跳出来指点江山一个个牛逼得觉得自己是中国通一样。草真受不了了"
"I was told by some “conservative” that the richest area in China is poorer than the poorest county in US.

lol"
Again
"I never said China would not do it. I'm saying if China did do it, they would hurt themselves way more than they hurt Apple or America. It also would not kill Apple. [Apple ](https://www.resourcewise.com/blog/forest-products-blog/apple-plans-to-move-production-out-of-china-what-does-this-mean-for-its-pp-industry)is [already ](https://www.wsj.com/articles/apple-china-factory-protests-foxconn-manufacturing-production-supply-chain-11670023099)shifting production from China to other countries and they already produce in other countries."
Yes but the USD is worthless.
"He's gonna declare martial law or get the supreme court to declare him president for life or something.

If it looks like he will be overthrown, impeached and convicted, I wouldn't put it past him to nuke American citizens, or to send an icbm at Siberia knowing Russia would launch back. One last was to own the libs.

There are some who even think we need to start Armageddon ourselves so that Jesus will come back and take them all to heaven.

I'd rather be wrong here than right."
Pulling a Hendrix
Nero wasn’t in Rome when it was on fire. He went back as soon as he was told and did basically everything right to put it out. It was what he did after that that was a complete shambles.
"I sold all my positions except my longest holds too, in January. It's not surprising because Trump openly said he would do this and everyone either ignored it or acted like it was some silly joke for some stupid fucking reason.

The fact that so many people think this is shady insider conspiracy shit tells me how little attention all you idiots actually pay. No wonder we're in this fucking mess."
Russia and brics are laughing at us... meanwhile about to fill the void...
"You are so right, 4 years later i ""accidentally"" googled this while I'm red in almost everything I own."
Good.
"He's broken many many laws. Hell they could get him for the TikTok ban. He legally could not extend it.

He has issued tariffs on the world through emergency actions... What emergency? These explicitly cannot be used for negotiation, that's why all his talking heads say it's not a negotiation tactic. But he's so stupid he keeps saying it is..."
"The idea is to crash the economy, have their ultra rich circle buying what's left, and fully control USA."
He’s straight up extorting every country in the world. It’s exactly mob tactics
We’re not even in the first year of Mango’s 2nd term
Not entirely unforced. The amount of propaganda and misinformation seriously needs to be looked at. Been a decade already since this problem blew up and there is still no solution.
"They aren't going to go public with anything until it's ready or they feel forced but I don't know how bad it has to get before that happens though. You look at GFC crisis levels on the charts and you could be talking near covid lows which is quite some ways away. If it gets to that point I'm sure you'll see action but I would much prefer to see a resolution before we get there 

There's one really cool statistic that I have told a few people to settle your nerves a little. When you have a 45 vix you have a 96% chance of being above the level that it happened 12 months later 

Scott bessent is a market guy, he can read the tape, they know this type of trading can't go on for much longer before something breaks. I'm curious when we are going to start reading about hedge funds blowing up"
Did you see the neck on this fire? It’s the strongest neck I’ve ever seen. I made that neck fire. Other necks can’t even hold fires. Christmas is going to be amazing for my people this year. Hey look a butterfly! #winning
"I keep thinking the party has to pull the plug on this eventually, right? Like a lot of conservatives are boot licking conmen and are happy to ride Trump's coattails but his coattails are going right off a cliff. Are some of them stupid and don't know any better? Probably. But they aren't all stupid and many of them have to realize what a disaster this is and if they can't reign him in they have to cut him loose."
E.L.E. (Extinction Level Event)
“I am gonna keep shooting myself in the foot until they come to make a deal!”
My pet theory is that he finally saw Rounders.
"More humility would suit this world, realize that you may be wrong, look for evidence, consider other perspectives.  If everyone is thinking alike still wonder if something may be missing, never implicitly trust any knowledge base without consideration of its history of generating truth and insight."
"If you really like the federal reserve data, this one gives more accurate picture of the emergency funds. 

https://www.newyorkfed.org/microeconomics/sce/credit-access#/financial-fragility1

Only 62% of Americans could come up with $2,000 in a month in the event of an emergency.If your claim is true, the majority of Americans must be able to pull $8k, which contradicts with the above data.

$400 might be exaggerated numbers but $8000 seems also excessive. 

You are missing the point of the original comment and nitpicking the details by using misleading figures. The point is that people do not have sufficient emergency funds, whether it’s $400 or $2k, or even $8k. Normal people will suffer due to the tariffs regardless."
What makes you think you’re getting flat stock prices with two dying conpanies
"I have watched youtubers, podcasters and people on reddit defend Trump. I think Americans are too far gone to get rid of him. They even elected him again knowing he was a regard.."
The coastline there is basically the future
Here we go. Strap into your strap-on.
You always were. Communist.
"A madman, haha"
"The president's party *always* gets beat in midterm elections. It's one of the constants of American politics. Republicans can only decide how bad they want it to be.

https://www.vox.com/22899204/midterm-elections-president-biden-thermostatic-opinion"
"> outsource it to specialists. Why would you go back to the old system?

Because the owners of the specialists are asking for ransom. And there is no way EU cannot create products that satisfy their needs. 

The global trade is gone anyway. Imagine working with Russian cloud company. They can ask for ransom citing ""unfair"" deals made in the past. 

Now with tarrifs, because the products of each country is protected by tariffs. First priority will be to secure the business stability from external factors. 

 Like if France tariffs AWS 25%, then the reasons like ""specialists, cost, speed"" goes out of the window. Plus, it will provide more jobs to the Europeans."
"A global 0% tariff system isn't feasible due to several economic and political realities:

- **Sovereign interests**: Countries use tariffs to protect domestic industries, jobs, and strategic sectors from foreign competition. Removing all tariffs removes that control.

- **Revenue loss**: Many developing nations rely on tariffs as a key source of government income. Eliminating them would create budget shortfalls.

- **Trade imbalances**: Without tariffs, wealthier nations with more efficient industries could flood markets in weaker economies, worsening inequality and dependence.

- **Lack of enforcement mechanisms**: There’s no global authority to enforce universal 0% tariffs or resolve resulting disputes fairly for all parties.

- **Political resistance**: Tariff elimination would face heavy opposition from industries, unions, and voters affected by increased foreign competition.

In short, while 0% tariffs might sound ideal in theory (free trade, lower costs), in practice, the world’s economic disparities, political interests, and sovereignty concerns make it unworkable."
"There is a difference in the complexity of a 1940 supply chain producing tanks from that era, and 2025 complexity of TVs, smartphones and so on. Not just the factories, the expertise needed by people to construct / operate it.

It's like saying, the common folk of the 19th century were able to participate in ship building when needed, surely we can mobilize our current working population of 100 million people to construct smartphone factories and operate them."
I appreciate how everybody here can agree the man is a fucking menace. 
Yes their is a plan. Crash the economy and install a complete autocratic system and then probably do a genocide.
"That power of economic deterrence only works against rational opponents.  They set themselves up to cut us off hard if we ever tried to fight them.  Exercising every damaging power they have, rather than appearing weak, is exactly what they're holding these powers for.  Use is not necessarily abuse."
China can play deez nuts
The fact they're dumber than the Branch Davidians is insane
But... where will they buy the MAGA hats and other merchandise?
"You do realize that abolishing the income tax for the lower and middle class will be one of the largest positive impacts on the US economy that will ever happen, right?"
"We say this but remember they cracked during Covid zero.

China has never been infallible throughout its history. It has been invaded multiple times. 

America’s track record however is fairly good. From the start with Indians to the British to the Soviets to the Japanese (twice), they can fight."
Develop empathy. Read the room. Shut your mouth.
"They put the minimum tariff rate on those islands, so if countries did want to exploit that loophole, as long as they're being tariffed higher, they could still benefit from that. So it makes zero since as a deterrent, unless they made those island's tariff rate 100% or something intentionally high. But all that is moot. Those islands are remote as fuck, and simply passing something through a port doesn't change its origin of export. It would look super suspicious if a random uninhabited island started exporting millions of dollars worth of product to the US. Amd I really doubt companies are going to start building factories on remote sub-antarctic islands just to circumvent a tariff."
I am very worried about tomorrow :(
I mean it's close to certain Roman emperors.
Do these fucks ever stop for a second to think about how their terrible policy will affect the people in the country they are supposed to be leading? No one gives a flying fuck about how China is going to deal with tariffs. Or what 'cards' they are holding. Fuck these self-fellating assholes.
"> I just don't understand why the stocks are coasting so much. Did the fall over the weekend already take into account the 104% tariffs? Or did the stocks underestimate the rates for China? Just as much as they underestimated the rates when they were revealed 2. April?
> 
> 

they really, truly don't think trump is going to go through with it"
"While you ignore the fact Xi did graduate college, you also ignore the fact that Xi has something else Trump doesn’t: strategical tact"
The damage will be done and no one will remember. Just like 2024.
There's a tariff on those now.
My guess is China doesn’t want those bonds used as bargaining chips by USA (or being asked to write off) therefore it is better to jump dump them all and get what they could. Just my random guess.
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"Lol. Nailed it. I have seen only the absolute worst in the US with teachers not even being able to make a living. Must be some mental gymnastics going on thinking you can get te best for paying the least amount of money. And on top abolish your department of education.

The whole problem they’re in is because half of their country has no critical thinking skills and just think in team red and team blue"
what is a nation
"Sell it all, today."
"Short-term cash position: SGOV (paying ~ 1.8% over inflation)  
Long-term cash position: TIPS (paying ~ 1.4% over inflation on 5 year bond, return guaranteed)"
"I would not trust the rating agencies. Remember all the worthless crap that had AAA rating?

And surely Orange man would not just not pay the debt right?

Except he is known for not paying his contractors...."
They were jokers.
"Let the whole thing crash until there’s blood in the street, then it will have much more leverage to act"
Unbelievable
wow....'manifest destiny' much?
China was the world's foremost economy for thousands of years until the industrial revolution. Trump is just returning them to where they belong.
"The enemy of your enemy is not your friend. Sure the US has a very incompetent admin right now, but Chinese strangehold on your economy would be just as bad, if not worse."
"Nailed it. China recently took Heixiazi Island from Russia as compensation for their help in the Ukrainian war. That area is exactly like you say, mineral rich."
This is always the correct answer! Know-it-alls are the dumbest people ever...
"Yup. End of the month will see tightening of budgets, next month layoff and closures."
"Thinking we're just going to vote our way out of this is stupidly naive. The time for that mentality was 2024.

Trump and his state sycophants will cheat because they can and nobody can stop them, and the electorate will be as apathetically rtrded as it always is."
Trump will put Tariffs on yields
This. The US is undergoing a key moment in their decline similar to Great Britain back in the day. China is essentially being handed pole position on the world stage without having to lift a finger
How could they do that? These islands don't have commercial ports.
I feel like you guys have been saying this for the last 10 years yet here we are
Dude could’ve golfed everyday for the next four years and done a better job
Much more likely it’s a rapid unwinding of basis trades than china selling. If china was selling you’d see pressure on the dollar because they’d have to offload a bunch of USD. Rumblings all over the place about funds unwinding their trades though.
"Train crashing used to be a big american past time, I wanna call this a train crash."
"Yes, you keep investing. Why? Because if everything happens like you fear it will, then money will be the least of your worries."
"Do the republicans know, and don't care (???), or are to stupid to consider this extremely, extremely basic concept;

China makes stuff that America buys. If America stops buying stuff, they lose money. But, they still have stuff. Stuff they can sell, or use.

America \*needs\* that stuff. They literally don't have a leg to stand on in this negotiation. China can last forever and absorb some bad economic years. By comparison, the states will grind to a halt. What the actual fuck are they thinking?"
"Actually you proved my point exactly which is the two dumb fucks are exactly the same.

Trump got his degree from what, UPenn. Ooh I will throw in another name: RFK Jr got his from Harvard. Do you honestly believe if their last names were not Trump and Kennedy they can get in these two schools, let alone graduate? Yeah no I don’t think so either 


Xi is exactly the same. His fucking dad was a high level founding member of CCP and PRC. He is what we call a red noble.  Without his last name, do you honestly think he can graduate a PhD while he’s busy in his provincial level leadership roles?"
"Quiver Quinitative , I'm spelling it wrong though. 


It's a really cool account, goes over all the suspicious trading of the Senate and House. Both parties do a lot of suspicious trading turns out. 

And after they purchase stuff they usually write policies that help boister whatever stock theyve invested in."
5% on a 30-year does not mean risk-free returns. You're still at risk to inflation (if you're holding it long term) and interest rates (if you're holding to sell later).
Bro. The problem is the sourcing hell that's to come. The US needs truff to keep functioning. And the competitive position of China is just bust. Means other sources for the same stuff will margin to equal the difference between their tariffs and those of China. Not manufactured goods. Base products we import daily for some added value.
"Sanctions does not mean we fully stopped trading with them.

[https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/europe-middle-east/russia-and-eurasia/russia](https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/europe-middle-east/russia-and-eurasia/russia)"
Ur using level 2 analysis. We don’t use that here in America.
Danes are cheering that China is hitting back on US tariffs. 4 month ago that would have been unthinkable.
"Totally, and it wasn't without multiple warnings. Complacency is what is allowing all of this to continue."
JD is terrible too.  Have you seen him speak?  
"In the end, they were all replaced with machinery. And in China, despite the declining employment in industry jobs, manufacturing output is still going up regardless and it's due to automation."
Think you very much!
"Anything over $50 is significant/crazy even if no new ATH achieved.

Futures show down 2.5ish % so far across the  Dow, 500, and Nas. Japanese carry trade is another beast itself - and Nikkei is down close to 5%, that could unwind as with many other things being propped up by toothpicks."
"Committing crimes every day Americans would be jailed for life for. But yknow, whatever.


I bet the French would have an answer. We should ask them what to do"
Thinking more like a volcano 🌋
That point is being tested right now. It could get bloody. Pray for us 🙏
"Which is more likely, that Democrats have been conning their own voters (which would majorly bite them in the ass if it ever came out) in order to elect someone to implement tariffs so they can sell at the correct time to make money, or Democrats lost an election by a margin they didn't expect, are having some trouble figuring out a new message without a central leader, and some Democrats, knowing what tariffs will do to the economy, sold early to lock in their gains like anyone would? Here's a hint: it's the second one."
>~~the world class~~ old european cities have no cars in them except maybe some emergency vehicles.
"Bc the global market is panicking and would rather hold cash than US debt no matter how safe it is historically. People are dumping bonds, creating a supply against low institutional demand and the result is higher yields. A $1000 Tnote sold for $950 has a higher yield than that same note sold for $1050 given the same base rate. 

In short, there’s a complete lack of trust by anyone serious to hold onto US assets vs cash given that cash can be moved at a moments notice and bonds cannot (liquidity).

Ie. Holding T notes isn’t even worth it because there may be no buyers for them in the future (money parked in other markets instead)/the US defaults (cannot pay the interest on the notes or the notes themselves at maturity)."
"The thing is... if this was done ten years ago, it mightve been succesful. But today, China became too big and diversed.  


Ths US simply doesn't have the cards. Trumps playing checkers while China is playing Chess."
Now it will be worse as the construction workers are afraid of being deported
" it's not ""no reason""

He wants to destroy the US.   Either so it helps Putin or so the rich can buy the ashes even more than they already are.  

This is all by design."
"Tariffs pull money out of circulation—they are, by definition, a deflationary financial tool.

As for your second point, your cost analysis is wrong, but I’ll get to that in a second... When there’s no demand, supply builds up. Prices then fall until the excess inventory starts moving. Manufacturers, seeing the decline in demand, reduce supply so it aligns with the new reality. Right now, companies are still ordering based on pre-tariff demand, which means we’re going to see an oversupply. Products will sit on shelves, prices will fall, and companies will sell at a loss if necessary—because recovering 50% is better than 5%.

Over the past 20 years, people bought into the idea that profits only go up. That worked because demand wasn’t being priced out. People still buy Starbucks despite a 400% price increase in the last decade. Companies raise prices until demand drops. That’s why food, groceries, and luxury goods have become so expensive. But let’s be clear—Starbucks could still sell a coffee for under $1 and profit. Yes, there’s a lower limit to how far prices can fall, but it’s far below what we’ve seen in recent years. And when the money supply contracts, the dollar strengthens, meaning your money goes further—driving prices down even more.

So why is this a problem? Because falling prices mean shrinking profits. Companies cut costs to compensate, which means layoffs. People lose jobs, homes, and spending power. That further reduces demand and increases unemployment, creating a downward spiral.

Anyone saying tariffs will raise prices in the long run doesn’t understand economics. Short-term, while employment is still stable, prices might spike. But give it six months—everything will change. If these tariffs persist that long, the bigger threat is global: we risk unseating the U.S. dollar as the world’s reserve currency. As the dollar strengthens, other currencies weaken—unless those countries also deflate their currency, which they can’t match at the same scale. Their only move is to stop trading in dollars, which is where the U.S. gets its power.

So in terms of cost: prices are going down. That’s the reality. The idea that tariffs will drive long-term inflation is fundamentally flawed."
Wow this all where all the world economic experts hang out. Good to know.
Glad to hear. Stay strong
Its almost as if there’s the rest of the whole world.
This is like every other industry before. doing stuff inhouse becomes too inefficient so you just outsource it to specialists. Why would you go back to the old system?
"Singapore's GDP at its founding (1960) was less than a billion. Their GDP per capita was significantly lower than their western counterparts and even their ASEAN counterparts. So yes, they were extremely poor unless you want to compare them to Zimbabwe, Rhodesia, and Somalia. In which case, go find someone else to annoy."
Don’t forget the klonnies so your gag reflex stops working
"According to Trump, you don't even need to vote again, so that's great"
"Yer but the Chinese will buckle down and work through it. The US millenials will want more work life balance, holiday pay and diversity. One country will rise from the ashes faster."
Your avatar made me swipe my screen
"He has unfortunately created the framework for a full takeover.    

It's scary how destructive one idiot can be and how he has won over the rest of the idiots."
"agree.  I have two friends that feel the same way.  they voted for their own wallets and are now pissed. but it is no longer a polarity contest.  the people don't have a say.

for the time being he has enough loyalists in congress that won't vote against him.  until we can vote in 2026 the only hope is that we have enough republicans in congress turn on his to make change

Ted Cruz has already spoken out with 4 others.  I would guess we see more in the coming weeks but will it be enough ?

there is a bipartisan bill that to make a law that congress has 60 days to vote on tariffs taking the power from trump.  but it is dead on arrival in congress.  at least we think it is"
Moody's staff will be in the office in a few hours to fix that.
"What's the goal you ask? Isn't it obvious? 

Rule #1: Trump only does whatever benefits him personally (usually wealth or power).

Rule #2: see #1.

Tariffs were never about any economic policy, but simply a grift for Trump to get bribes and/or power. That's it."
"What else do you expect from a population that values guns over education, pseudo science over years of medical research, bullying over tactful negotiations?

All of the above actions have repercussions and that's what the world is witnessing now."
I'm buying through the dip. Nobody can predict the bottom
Conman implies some level of intelligence. He is actually genuine in his beliefs that tariffs will make America a richer nation. He’s been saying it since the 70’s. He’s just too stupid to realize it won’t work.
"You're talking about a country that oh, 60 years ago, starved 30 million of their own people to death, in order to bump iron and steel production."
Fed rate does not influence ten year yields directly
"You mean Joe Biden didn't accomplish what *you* wanted him to accomplish.

He got us through Covid with the strongest economy (American Rescue Plan), passed the Infrastructure Law, CHIPS and Science Act, put a $2000/year cap on out-of-pocket cost for prescription drugs of people on Medicare, allowed Medicare to negotiate drug prices, etc...Was able to lower inflation without the US going into recession, which had never been accomplished before."
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"Dude they pulled off something many economist thought they could not accomplish, last year we had insane returns too.... Trump has to make his own mark and fucked up everything, like he always does. Dude needs a mental evaluation... This is insane."
Catch that falling knife
"Creating this weird expectation that scientists had to be atheist in the 2000s likely did not help in that regard. Especially when some of history's most famous scientists were still religious. Now I am not saying it was the cause, but I am saying it made things much easier to spin politicize to Fox viewers."
The US is playing itself lol
"Honestly, I don’t think they’ll learn. So many of them are delusional to an irrational degree. Go over to the conservatives subreddits - there’s zero foresight into how the world supply chain and cultures work."
Probably selling to go into stocks
You can't build semiconductors under tariffs. They might build a plant here but nothing will get made.
"Given how irrational the market has been, I wouldn’t be surprised"
"I...want to continue being a premium grade hater but you've got a point. That makes it like two to... twenty? Dunno, im pretty stoned. Lost count. On to the next!"
Which bot is this ?
Trump is collapsing the US Empire in real-time
So markets gonna go sideways then?
"Is it because they prefer to be liquid or want to move to other investments?  

Also i don’t understand what this means from the article:  ""This kind of thing becomes problematic if the prime broker starts saying that now ... I want to charge you a higher margin or I basically want more margins from you,"" said Mukesh Dave, "
"If you were trying to either preserve capital or reduce your losses in a 401K, would you change your investments to Fed Market funds? bonds? Anything but stocks?"
"all right guys. Let’s ditch the city. grab the ol drinking buddies, form a village and let’s find a place to stake out in the wilderness"
Man i'm 37 and im 100-0. I think your 60/40 is fine.
"Instead of thinking about how to profit off this long term. They just point, complain, cry. If DT sucked so bad and they’re so smart, they can buy Puts if they wanted to. Shits so dumb."
I guess thank goodness he is a 78 year old fat man with a bunch of comorbidities. He looks like total shit now. I can't imagine how much worse this would be with a charismatic young man hell bent on staying in power.
Call them to ask them exactly this
And this whole Mediterranean Sea? We’re renaming it to the Gulf of Italy.
"Embrace it.   
  
My current holdings are:

SQQQ

FLYD

SOXS

YANG

TSLQ"
"He is a pure narcissist that is completely power tripping and found out that he is above law because of Presidential immunity and the courts couldn’t get him (more than half are in his pockets), congress is dysfunctional and corrupt and now richest man in the world is basically his unwedded wife sleeping on White House floor. 
He is a puppet of Putin directly or indirectly. 

All that is true.

But that doesn’t make China and their one sided trade deals any better. They pretty much target countries that need bail out, infuse a bunch of money into their infrastructure and knowing that they can’t pay back, cut a deal with them to own part of their land and future revenues from them.

Look what they have done in Pakistan, Srilanka and Maldives. 

They also claim entire South China Sea as theirs, encroaching into other sovereign countries and reject ICC claims etc.

Just because Trump is an idiotic traitor doesn’t mean that China’s power needs to be checked to keep their influence over other nations that are Western allies."
Could this mean bank runs anytime soon for average Joe?
"But I mean, there have been dozens if not hundreds of executive orders, I just don't understand how he can completely redefine economic policy, and render hundreds of thousands of existing agreements between manufacturers and whatnot in all these countries null and void with the stroke of a pen. How is this being allowed to happen? Like, if you were an importer of goods from whereever, and you refused to add these tariffs, what would happen to you? You haven't broken a law. You're simply following the terms of the agreement you had with the person you're buying goods from."
Lakers in 5
"Funny enough, this was a big factor in the very beginning of the war on drugs, where they tried to inspect every vehicle thoroughly decades ago. It didn't work and well, it was canned due to hos long it took. The man power and time for such a thing is just not possible."
Which is why I don't believe this article. He obviously knew about this before hand. The timing of his Twitter sale to XAI is fairly suspicious and now with the sale it removes any huge debt issues he may have as the stock drops.
"First, the stock market was already overvalued even before the beginning of this.

Secondly, that $450 billion is the amount being lost per year, not just a one time loss. Stocks reflect the expectation of what it will be worth in the future, not just the next year.

Third, the tariffs are being imposed on basically every country not just China.

Fourth, there are a ton of side effects. People are going to lose their jobs, those people that lose their jobs are going to stop buying things, if people stop buying things then companies will start to go out of business, if companies go out of business then even more people will start losing their jobs and it can create a feedback loop that gets worse and worse.. and considering the general incompetence of this administration, people don't have confidence in this administration to deal with that kind of crisis.

Fifth, there are also all of the things being lost in terms of foreign relations. Countries are making moves to drop the US as the world's reserve currency, or at the very least to reduce their dependence on it. If that happens, the US debt problem (which was already very bad to start with) is going to get even worse, which can cause a lot of really bad things to happen in the future, and they're trying to get ahead of that. Not to mention other problems like boycotts against US products in other countries and people refusing to travel to the USA etc.."
"I promise I typed and posted my other reply before reading and responding to this.


Anyways, Ryan's reply to you answers this in a nutshell."
"Well,well, well he’s at it again"
"What you're trying to say is that his past impeachments were greater moral and political wrongs, while this one would be for a greater socioeconomic wrong with guaranteed impact on nearly every citizen and beyond."
RIP to small time importers. But the resellers and drop shippers can get wrecked.
"Didn't they ban all LNG imports today? 

Just cancel Apple exports as well."
What is the right play then in this environment?
"They have been developing their internal market since last tariffs. Not enough to remove the pain, but maybe enough to withstand it"
I don't think there will be any elections.
"""many people say it's the best fire, maybe the best fire...ever, they say."""
"Be quite something if VIX exceeds COVID levels. At that point, only 2008 would be higher."
"If China caves, they show the rest of the World that they can’t stand up to the US. There goes their status as a superpower, countries that had previously been building ties with them start looking towards the US, and who knows what will happen internally. They cannot cave, for caving means losing the cold war"
"Easy solution. Tariff it all, indiscriminately."
Slow clap.
"The tariffs will up inflation pretty fast in the short term, however, a recession will cause a massive loss of jobs, reduced demand, and a heavy reduction in inflation. 

If the tariffs stick around and job losses start hitting that 10%+ point, the HYSA is definitely going to be way better than inflation."
Downgrades incoming.
I take my comment back. Not poorest but no where near we are today. Fixed own comment.
I switched a large position to TLH after the election and it did great until last week.   Should I be getting the hell out of that?
"If I am remembering correctly, the last time the US Republicans enacted tariffs like this, Republicans lost both the house and senate for 60 years. Maybe pick up a history book or two."
"> populace of a communist nation used to enduring collective hardship for the benefit of the motherland against foreign threats

And republicans don't seem the understand yet that in order to beat china, they'd have to become china.

China is a powerhouse now because their people accept shitty living conditions, wages, work hours, etc. Now, good luck turning the US population into obedient little worker drones. The nation would fall apart long before that happens."
It's done by computer before the merchandise hits the ports via cargo manafests.
"Kinda presumed China would leverage this weapon against the US.

Self induced market slowdown ready for a bond dump to pinch the other end, doubling the damage.

Who holds the cards again?

I’m still amazed the US has taken a dominant position over a flailing Chinese economy and turned it upside down.

5d checkers ladies and gentlemen."
Trump is going to be removed from office if this keeps up. No president has actively destroyed America before like this...
"I'm also reluctant to believe this is true. However having said that, I'm so over him he could literally convince Trump to reverse the tariffs and I'de still shit all over Tesla."
The calculations dont really matter. He's trying to strong arm better deals.
"“Press X for doubt”


If that was a real concern wouldn’t they have set the rate at like 100% instead of 10-20%, You know to actually make it impossible to use those islands as loopholes?"
Lol fair
"Korean pres tried that and got impeached.  By the time he tries that as a last ditch effort, his approval rating will be so low that his own party will abandon him."
"To clarify, I think it has been organized by the top. I wouldn't expect every right winger to know anything. The sell off to get us down to 20%, and into a bear market was highly organized. You didn't see any panic selling. VIX didn't even break 40 until like the very end. The panic selling is just now starting to set it. The intiation of this was very organized. But it is like a snowball rolling down hill. You just have to start it, and it will build on its own."
"Sounds like something a person complaing about the tariffs on penguins would say.  


People can dislike all they want.  Just validates my view that someone should make an inverse investing subreddits ETF."
"I’m on Vacation in China right now, and I would say Apple still have the lead in terms of quality and ecosystem. But HUAWEI and other Chinese phone companies you never heard about like Honor have come a long way. 

Apple are still very popular in China, and especially in Tier 1 and 2 cities where people have money. Apple stores are usually super crowded.

I would recommend everyone to visit China themselves. There is a lot of nonsense written by western journalists that have never set foot in China themselves."
and do you think 2008 or the great depression didn't cause massive hardship?
Oh they will. They will save Face. It is cultural
"Same. In fact if you didn't vote this election, same treatment. Fuck, y'all couldn't be happy with a non-white women with a funny laugh."
It could be. Bear in mind though that Japan holds more Treasuries than China does and was specifically mentioned in the article.
How the fuck is this legal
"Unfortunately a concerted effort to wrongfully purge millions from the voter rolls means that even though the electorate took it on board, this wasn't stoppable."
"Is there possibility trump admin default, Fuk investors both ways?"
"I am shocked Congress is not exercising its authority already. Donald Trump has clearly lost support from Vance and Musk on this issue who have been his biggest cheerleaders until now. There are reportedly 60 Senators willing to overturn his tariffs now. Polling shows this is already unpopular and the pain hasn’t even begun. Trump is truly standing alone on this. Why are they not pulling the plug now? What is the hesitance? 

Trump will be out in four years. He will not have enough money to bankroll campaigns against everyone who turns against him, especially if Musk finds himself unaligned with Trump and wants to pick the next batch of Republicans on his own. And even with a giant war chest and Trump’s blessing, failing to stop the incoming pain will be catastrophic at the ballot box. It’s maddening. It feels like everyone is trying to ride Trump’s coattails straight to hell."
"So you make like 2500? That’s my rent alone, I also save 3k after all expenses left over. And I am not even senior engineer. Euro salaries are peanuts. Our restaurants also cost around that, cheaper if Asian restaurant."
What you mean?
Well I know we are only three months into to trumps term…. And it’s been nonstop disaster. I’m guessing the next 45 months aren’t going to be good for stocks.
"""Many people are calling it 'The Great Fire of Rome'. But really, I think we should call it 'The Greatest Fire of Rome', because it- we all know, that's what it is. Sleepy Claudius, he could never have had a fire this great. And people tell me, they say to me 'Emperor Nero, that fire was the greatest, most beautiful fire that Rome has ever had'. It's true!"""
Chining dumping bonds rapidly is mutually assured destruction. USD devaluation + tarrifs will collapse chinese economy.
"Intellectual property and software is probably about as close as you can get.

The only companies that produce x86 CPUs have all their design in America except for a Chinese company that doesn't export. Business services like Microsoft Windows and Office, Oracle Business software, and the like would be hard to replace.


American movies and music are much more successful outside America than any other country's media."
Crash
"Well one thing they said when the tariffs hit is that they'll stop protecting American IP entirely in China.  

So yeah they'll still make iPhones.  They'll just call them something else and sell them to each other."
"Not much, but definitely no penguins and seals."
Disney will be imploding
The irony when they say it's non negotiable but he is waiting to make a deal 😂 This white house speaker is dumb as bricks
Have you heard the recent one that Fall Out Boy did for our times?
Republicans have ruined America and no one should ever forget it. I have no doubt in my mind this is intentionally done...
"Even his own supporters are turning on him. Some of the guys I interact with at various job sites, they were all red hat, oh the first time the economy boomed. Today I was messing with one of them, how's Trump doing, the reply I got back was that guy is a effing idiot

I think if Rupert Murdoch unleashes Fox News that would be the end. He's signaling that he's thinking about it too because there have been more episodes, more of their hosts that are taking jobs, explaining how crazy it is. If this goes on too much longer and they get green lit to just go to town, they are going to turn the Republican voter base completely against him and give Congress than necessary shield to take action. If his approval just goes to the toilet and there is outrage against him. They can take action without compromising their own reelection. Too many wealthy and influential people are upset with Cheeto right now"
"They are just lying down and taking it up the ass. (Ignoring progressives but I don't consider them part of the establishment Democrat party)


Just because they're minority doesn't mean they're powerless. They are letting this happen. 

They're not even getting their messaging together?  The stuff that's happening right now is some of the easiest stuff to get independent voters riled up about.

It doesn't add up. All I'm saying."
Just yell into the echo chamber on r/stocks where every single post is some 22 year old with $2500 in the market espousing why the biggest depression since depressions is going to happen and why they knew it all along. Every. Single. Post. I hate what Reddit has become.
Insulting a nation before a negotiation tends to reduce leverage.
"It's also hard to find another trading partner that buy the quantity China does.  China is the #2 mkt for most American manufacturers.  Chinese prefer to buy foreign-made goods on the perception of quality and reliability, even at a higher price than Chinese domestic equivalents.  China's reciprocal tariffs will price US goods out of mkt for Chinese consumers and they would be forced to buy domestic and eating up that surplus."
Penguinshitcoin is highly decentralized
"Can trump do a Martial law, keep him president forever? That's awful."
Trump would be out of office before they could get one built. Most factories take 3 to 5 yrs from idea to actual plant.
Are you guys tired of winning ?
And when you’re wrong?
I love this. Also what about nightmare scenario.
"Absolutely not. There is no case for reducing rates other than to save Trumps ass. According to their dual mandate, a rate reduction makes absolutely no sense. And probably doesn't for the remainder of the year. Markets still have like 3 cuts priced in. Wait until ultra hawkish Jpow says cuts are unlikely this year, and this baby will really drop. CPI should be a nice little recovery day on Thurday. But today, we are going down hard. And with inflation set to bounce up again, there is no way Jpow can justify cutting rates now."
"So you grant they play the long game, see us as a foreign threat, and are a communist collective

Do you suggest we just break dependence on them slower? Do you have another plan or just think this is a bad one?"
What does this mean to stock market and bonds? They will slightly rue? Or it doesn't matter?